Three trading systems that failed
and what we can learn from them
A lot of trading-system sites like to brag about how people made money on their site.
... Every now and then we review bad trading systems on our site.
Why our obsession with failure?
Because failure, more than success, is interesting. Not just in a snarky, let's-kick-people-when-they're-down kind of way. When trading systems fail, it gives investors a chance to ask questions. Were there warning signs that should have been heeded? Is there anything that these failed systems have in common?
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Conclusion
The point of reviewing these three systems is to learn from mistakes. The best kind of mistakes to learn from are the ones that other people make. (Learning from your own mistakes, while a powerful pedagogical method, hurts like hell.)
So what did we learn today?
- Trading systems that engage in Martingale strategies can look good for a long time. But they always end the same way, and it's never pretty.
- System developers that talk about golden harmonics and astrology and bird entrails should be treated with skepticism.
- Even supposedly "low-risk" strategies have risk. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
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Friday, February 11, 2011
Newsletter on Trading Systems (from C2)
In case you missed this newsletter from Collective2 (C2), we thought it was an interesting look at why some trading systems ultimately fail. The recent volatility in the futures and currency markets in January and early February caused some losses for trading systems, and we recently wrote a related article. I use Collective2 as a third-party tracker for trading systems.
Here is an excerpt from the Collective2 newsletter. Please click here for the entire article.
Monday, February 7, 2011
Risk / Return, Profit Stats & Trading Systems
Investors often talk about Trading System X vs. Trading System Y -- and how a certain approach has a steadier pattern of returns versus another. Note, however, that even long-term performance can disguise or hide the potential pitfalls of some trading systems. For instance, a trading approach can have a great 100% return over 12-months, but individual trades can possess some scary drawdowns.
Many of us have seen these types of systems, and they eventually have a bad decline that forces a "closed trade" and/or marked-to-market recognition of the risk that was always there. There have been many stories like this over the years. Some of these traders use a martingale-type of approach (letting losses accumulate or even increasing exposure and/or doubling losing trades). These methods can "hide" risk in the short-term -- but if overused -- will lead to large losses at some point.
I have been a trader for over 15 years, and recently started to post trades on third-party tracker, Collective2. Our most-established program, zFutures, is a diversified futures program -- and now has almost 200 trades tracked and more than 6-months worth of history on Collective2. It is notable that this has been a good period for the futures markets, but we are pleased that potential investors are happy with the program's trade statistics. In particular:
Many analysts study the risk / return figures on individual trades -- as well as the percentage of profitable trades -- to get a handle on overall risk. These statistics can yield information about a trader's overall risk management approach. In addition, hopefully, there is a real edge to the trading system's approach.
I have been a trader for over 15 years, and recently started to post trades on third-party tracker, Collective2. Our most-established program, zFutures, is a diversified futures program -- and now has almost 200 trades tracked and more than 6-months worth of history on Collective2. It is notable that this has been a good period for the futures markets, but we are pleased that potential investors are happy with the program's trade statistics. In particular:
- The ratio of Average Profit from (Winning Trades) / (Losing Trades) is close to 2.
- The percentage of winning trades is currently over 50%.
We don't claim to have a magic formula, but we do believe that we have an edge in the futures markets. Our programs are based on robust research methods, including machine learning, on many years of historical data. We use a systematic and computerized approach to managing trades and managing risk. The financial markets are a competitive arena -- and a disciplined approach, combined with constant diligence - and constant research - are all necessary to earn excess returns from the financial markets.
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